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  OZLelila

  Aug. 3, 2006, 10:19 a.m.

  Thank you Barbara! The biggest problem I see with this, and many other, debates is the fact that nobody listens to anybody else's opinion. They've made up their minds and then just drown everybody else out, not willing to consider other points of view.

  Our government is based on compromise, but it's pretty hard to come to one if you don't listen to the other side.
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  Razor

  Aug. 3, 2006, 10:45 a.m.

  What needs to surface here is the moral issue about promiscuity. Unplanned pregnancy and disease are not the major issue, however a very good reason for abstaining from a promiscuous life style, but, again not the major reason. Everytime you have sex with someone you give part of yourself to them. Give away enough to many people and soon your left an empty shell with a damaged self esteem. Control should be retained by doctors. Did we not learn anything from passing out condoms in schools....what kind of message are we sending to kids. Jesus told us that the sexually immoral will not inherit the kingdom. Allowing this type of medication is the work of the enemy.
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  Immune2TheKoolAid

  Aug. 3, 2006, 10:58 a.m.

  The religious right is up in arms about this coz they won't have anyone to bomb now.
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  endofdays

  Aug. 3, 2006, 11:10 a.m.

  It's too bad the mothers of the yentas on this show didn't take the morning after pill...
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  Ratskii

  Aug. 3, 2006, 11:15 a.m.

  Huh Razor? Where in the Bible did Jesus say that? I'm familiar with the Bible and recall nothing even remotely similiar. As for becoming an empty shell from being promiscuous, that's silly. I've known a lot of people that have gone through promiscuous periods in their life, and it just ain't so. You need to become more observant and stop coming to conclusions based on your theories about how people should behave.

  This is why I consider the religious right a major threat to our democracy. It is because they wish to impose their religious views on those of us who don't believe as they do.
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  Razor

  Aug. 3, 2006, 11:19 a.m.

  Imune2thekoolaid;

  Religious, Right. hmmm...has a ring of truth to it... However just for your fyi, people that bomb/murder may be religious but they are not Chirstians by any strech of the imigation...
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  jordan11

  Aug. 3, 2006, 11:19 a.m.

  .what kind of message are we sending to kids. Jesus told us that the sexually immoral will not inherit the kingdom. Allowing this type of medication is the work of the enemy.>>>>>

  The enemy of whom? People who think they are 'morally superior?' Human sexuality is here to stay. Some see that as a bad thing, but do they have the right to deny protections to people who WILL make their own choices? It sounds more to me like pregnancy and STD's are being used as a punishment for what some feel is 'immoral' behavior. Ironically, denying the morning after pill increases pregnancy, and therefore increases abortion. What is it exactly that you're after here? Dictating the conduct of others, when it comes to their personal choices?

  As for inheriting 'the kingdom', religion is a personal issue. It is NOT to be used as the tenants of our laws. This is NOT a theocracy. 'Keep your theocracy off my democracy.'
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  2sidestoeverything

  Aug. 3, 2006, 11:25 a.m.

  Razor

  I disagree with this is a moral issue about promiscuity. Many women who are promiscuous have been sexually molested in someway. There innocence’s and self esteem are damaged before they become promiscuous. This issue isn't black or white there are a lot of grey areas. And as in everything there will be those who misused this medication as other medications are misused but why should the Innocent pay for those people who may misuse it.
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  kaysaloo

  Aug. 3, 2006, 11:26 a.m.

  Oh please. If we can step off the Jesus platform and were honest that 90% of women today will have more than one sexual partner and stopped trying to pretend that sex is not happening outside of marriage then we could solve alot of problems right there. Birth control should be readily avaliable to women of all ages and should be affordable. Take this step, and alot of the unwanted pregnancies might be prevented. I agree that the morning after pill should not be used as contraception, but ****** happens. I am on the pill and practice safe sex, but condoms break. being able to go to the pharmacy and pick this up makes things alot easier than going to the doctor, getting a rx then getting it filled. And if the condom breaks on a friday, then you are screwed because, short of going to a hospital, doctors offices aren't open. People want to add all the extra cost and inconvinence to punish women for having sex. women have a right to choose what to do with their bodies.
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  msaleem

  Aug. 3, 2006, 11:38 a.m.

  Here's my insight from a religious (Islamic perspective): Although Islam opposes abortion, it offers the following exceptions:

  "As we all know, every rule has an exception including the religious laws. After all attempts are made to save both the mother and the unborn child, and under unusual situations, abortion may be allowed to save the mother’s life. This is permitted, not only during the first three months of pregnancy, but during any time during the pregnancy. Cases of rape have no place in this discussion. Women who are victims of rape have enough time (as much as 6 days) to use available medical treatments (morning after pill, etc) to avoid any possible pregnancy. If the rape victim waited until she finds out that she is pregnant, it is too late and she has no excuse to kill the child created in her womb."
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  Immune2TheKoolAid

  Aug. 3, 2006, 12:02 p.m.

  Razor wrote: Religious, Right. hmmm...has a ring of truth to it... However just for your fyi, people that bomb/murder may be religious but they are not Chirstians by any strech of the imigation...

  I agree with you completely, they are not real Christians, but that hasn't stopped far right Jesus freaks from harrassing women at clinics, bombing them, killing docs who perform abortions, etc.

  There are pharmacists who have refused to fill scrips for Plan B "because of their religious beliefs." Some have even refused to give the woman her scrip back to her.

  They would do this even if the woman was a rape victim. Truth.

  Plan B is called Plan B because it is not "Plan A." "Plan A" should be safe birth control. Of course the religious right (surely you don't deny the religious right's existence) hates birth control too. I just wish they'd just stay the hell out of other people's bedrooms.
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  Landarch

  Aug. 3, 2006, 12:16 p.m.

  First of all, i don't frankly care what Jesus or Mohammed may have said about this. What is wrong with people having their own independent thoughts about these things? Too many people are letting religion dictate our every thought and movement, come on! I think the morning after pill is brilliant. Too many stupid people are propogating anyway, screwing up this planet. If there is a way to hinder that, well bravo. What strikes me is how those on the right wing of politics are so concerned about the well being of an embrio or a fetus (before becoming an independent human being), but once the child is born, they couldn't care less! These are the people who made cuts in education, headstart programs, and others that help kids who are less fortunate. THAT my friends is the moral dilemna here, not the morning after pill!
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  societygirl

  Aug. 3, 2006, 12:18 p.m.

  Immune

  The vast majority of women seeking Plan "B" will not be rape victims. They will just be women who woke up with a bad case of "coyote ugly", a hangover, and a wish to undo what is already done. That, unfortunately, is not reality.

  Anyone who says this isn't a moral issue is fooling themselves. "Human sexuality is here to stay"....no kidding! "Human sexuality", meaning sexual congress engaged in by homo sapiens, those actually granted free will and supposedly able to make the distinction between right and wrong. If you all have "been there and done that", explain to me how it is defensible as right?

  Then tell me how to explain to my six-year-old daughter that "it's OK, honey. It feels good, so you should just do it as many times with as many people as you want. Why should you worry about consequences? It's here to stay!"
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  jaxmanjoe

  Aug. 3, 2006, 12:20 p.m.

  Religious Right = Frigid Women, Impotent Men

  If life begins at fertilization, why doesn't it begin in the ovaries and nutsack? Sperm is alive and so is the egg. In fact, isn't the sperm attacking the egg and penetrating it without the consent of the egg rape?

  We should arrest guys who masterbate for killing millions of sperm who are vital to reproduction and are living things. They swim for gosh sake! How many unliving things can swim? And women should be arrested for having their periods. That's proof that they let an egg go unfertilized, hence killing it. Red = Dead.

  I think everyone in the world should be put to death! Kill us all! We're guilty!!!!

  This message brought to you by the Christian Coalition.
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  societygirl

  Aug. 3, 2006, 12:22 p.m.

  Landarch

  Maybe, if there were actual stable two-parent households, they could provide those "services" that you are laying on the federal government's doorstep as their responsibility. When did it become our elected representatives' jobs to feed, clothe, house, educate, and otherwise provide for legions of illegitimate children? About the same time every other female said "oh, to hell with morality, it feels good so let's go!"
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  Razor

  Aug. 3, 2006, 12:22 p.m.

  OK; it was John, I know that Jesus said something along the line of fornication....

  Just don't forget about

  Luke 13:25

  Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, 'Sir, open the door for us.'
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  ChristineF

  Aug. 3, 2006, 12:24 p.m.

  Elizabeth did stop and listen to the others speak contrary to Barbara's accusation. People should educate themselves. Cases of rape and incest where the woman gets pregnant choses abortion account for less than 5% of abortions. If you want to argue for those 5% and be 95% for life; that is your choice. But let's not pretend every time ending life before birth is brought up, that the person taking a stand for life has no compassion on victims of rape and incest.

  On another note, I know two happy, healthy , beautiful children whose mother's chose life after rape. It would devastate those children to have anyone tell them they never should have been born because some sick man was involved in their conception.
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  jaxmanjoe

  Aug. 3, 2006, 12:27 p.m.

  The Bible is the best form of contraception for me. If I hear a woman quoting from it I want to slap her, not boff her.

  And before you whackos go crazy, no I don't slap them. I just want to.
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  zyon

  Aug. 3, 2006, 12:28 p.m.

  Razor, what right do you have to impose your beliefs on any person. All of you wing nuts are the same. Preach your crap to your flocks only. Your belief of obstaining really works with teenagers (NOT). I love the way all of you bible thumpers protect the child in the womb, once the child is out it gets no help ( ie right wing christians voting for cutting all forms of social welfare programs).
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  jordan11

  Aug. 3, 2006, 12:29 p.m.

  Razor: eligious, Right. hmmm...has a ring of truth to it>>>>>

  To you perhaps, but not to me.
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  jaxmanjoe

  Aug. 3, 2006, 12:31 p.m.

  ChristineF - there are thousands of unwanted babies which the Far Right will say should be born, but then they turn around and say those babies and their mothers are a drain on the system. They also do nothing to support the 'lifes' they insist should be carried to term. Hypocrites.

  And I bet you're pro-death penalty like most far righties. explain that one.
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  societygirl

  Aug. 3, 2006, 12:33 p.m.

  jaxman

  If you're going to try to get all scientific on us, try studying biology. And if you're going to try to represent the Christian Coalition, you might give a shot at a basic comprehension of theology.

  Viruses move, sparky. So do amoeba. Are you going to try and compare those with ova and sperm? And quite a few Christian sects do consider maturbation a sin. That's the sin of Sodom, wasting his seed. The end result for him was not so pleasant.
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  societygirl

  Aug. 3, 2006, 12:42 p.m.

  jaxman

  I've been working since I was 13, which means I've been paying taxes for almost 23 years. My kid is provided for by my husband and me. She goes to private school on our dime. Why, exactly, should I pay for "social welfare" for the offspring of people whose decision-making regarding reproduction amounted to "sure, I'll have another shot of Jagermeister!"?
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  societygirl

  Aug. 3, 2006, 12:47 p.m.

  It's called "responsibility for one's actions". You know, if you're going to dance, you have to pay the piper? If these females are going to insist on going about having meaningless sex, they should have to deal with the consequences of it. In other words, if they get pregnant, yes, they should have the baby. They should have to get a job and work their wiggling little asses off to provide for that baby. Or they should place that "unwanted" baby for adoption. Letting them off the hook with a pill is just a little too neat and tidy a solution for the mess they are making of society at large.
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  Helixbuilder

  Aug. 3, 2006, 12:48 p.m.

  Ratskii;

  It's in the bible it form one of the letters of Paul read 1 Corinthains 6:8-10. The problem arises when soceity defines sexual morality, because Jesus never did.

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